7 October 2009
Andrew White: The ups and downs
all Things 4x4 with Andrew White
SELF-DRIVE GUIDED TOURS
The ups and downs
In his quest to find a safer, yet still capable 4x4 sports-utility vehicle, Andrew St Pierre White borrowed a Mitsubishi Pajero GLS, loaded the family and stuff, and went on a guided self-drive tour in the Namib Desert. This is his experience
Some months back I wrote about how I almost had a serious head-on collision on the N2 while driving my Land Cruiser 76 Series wagon. Because of it, I felt that the safety and handling compromises made by those of us that drive vehicles such as the Cruiser 76 or Defender, were perhaps not worth it. This type of vehicle is so good in the rough, but so flawed in the phase of a trip called, "getting there", the most hazardous part of the journey, that I felt that a newer, safer and perhaps softer vehicle would be worth a try. I was loaned a Pajero by Mitsubishi Motors Umhlanga for a trip to Namibia. (My thanks to them. The makers, it seems, haven't got press test vehicles any more) My first and, as it turns out, only real attempt at finding out if a softer vehicle can do the job was completed last month when I went on Uri Adventure's splendid Face of Namib tour. In short, the tour was fabulous and the Pajero wasn't. The purpose of this article is then two-fold. This was the first time I tried a guided tour. Those of us who are self sufficient, not only in equipment, but also in terms of wanting to go it alone, often baulk at the idea of joining someone else's trip. We like to be at the head of the convoy, in the lead and it's our trip. We decide when we leave, where we stay and who travels with us. Having done this kind of travelling for 27 years, doing a guided tour was going to be a stretch for me. And secondly, a soft, untried vehicle with my family added to the challenge. And thirdly, it was going to be a shoot for the TV show. The problems of travelling with strangers came home to roost on night one. At 2am. The noise of the wildlife was unbelievable! I identified the calls to have come from greater spectacled, round-bellied, pickled four-wheel driver, whose remarkable nocturnal call is actually made while comatose. The nightjars fled. The brown hyenas cowered in their dens. Even the crickets stopped. The funny thing was that every night following, everyone else - pretending not to watch - waited to see where the three little tents went up before selecting their own spot, which was as far away as possible. I wanted to camp in Botswana. The first morning call was departure into the Namib at 9am sharp. With our three children (only one other group had taken kids) it meant that we were rushed to get ready, not wanting to be singled out as tardy. It was a bit stressful. So much so that I hadn't done a very good job at tying the roofrack straps. The first day's drive was sublime. Really awesome. I run out of superlatives when trying to describe the Namib Naukluft Park. This is the real advantage of doing this kind of tour. The area through which the six-day tour took us is only accessible if accompanied by registered guides, many of which have concessions to particular areas. In this case, there was no other way of being there. And it was worth every sacrifice, apart from the embarrassment of getting stuck. As the doyen of "all Things 4x4" I am not allowed to get stuck or make the smallest mistake. But I surely did. I misjudged the Pajero's clearance on the very first obstacle and bellied it good and proper. I found that the undulations in the thick sand were a real challenge for the Pajero and going it slow meant bogging down. Going fast enough to keep moving meant that the sideways rocking was particularly violent. As a result a tent, not secured properly, went flying, followed by two jerrycans when the rack mounts broke. I was in line for the wooden spoon award, which Faces call the Blixem T-shirt award, given to the driver that botches the most. Believe me, I deserved it that day, but was only awarded it on day four because I moved around the convoy a lot trying to get good shots. Goes to show, it's all in good fun and nothing is taken too seriously, which is the way it should be. When it comes to guided tours, there are issues to deal with and some are easier to overlook than others. It's nice to camp and not have to cook. The food was of a high standard - as long as you like venison. The camping sites were all located in spectacular locations, but because I like quite and solitude, I personally could not get what I really wanted out of them. To have the backup of local guides and help when needed is reassuring and removes a level of potential stress. Ditto the navigation. Just follow the vehicle ahead. The convoy practice of always taking care of the vehicle behind you was well explained, but not always well practised. It is not natural to take care of the vehicle behind - so it's understandable that occasionally drivers simply forget. This convoy numbered ten vehicles. I would judge this to be the absolute maximum count for this kind of tour. If you are near the back and the leaders stumble upon something of interest, by the time the tail-enders arrive the animal has often moved away, or the guide has driven off and you miss the commentary. In the case of Faces of Namib, this is taken care of to some degree by the fact that every vehicle is equipped with a 29mHz radio, and the guide, Kosie de Klerk, was a conscientious and knowledgeable commentator. We enjoyed most of his jokes. So in the morning, as the convoy sets out, there is a certain amount of jostling for position. Most want to be near the front. I found myself at the tail end most of the time because I wanted to shoot video while not holding the others up. This brings me to the other notable thing about such a tour. As an example, on day four, we visited the wreck of the Eduard Bohlen. We spent about 30 minutes exploring the wreck, after which we set of on a short drive to a particularly steep dune. Here we spent an hour and a half while the boys played with their toys. There were two kinds of people on the tour: those like me who love to explore and photograph the places, and others for whom the adventure is little more than a fantastic 4x4 romp. Each for his own, but when the two are running in the same convoy, someone is going be frustrated at times.
Pajero - a disappointment? It was a bit. On the open road, as I expected, the Pajero performed really well and I love the Tiptronic gearbox. During the days on gravel it was lovely to drive, confident and surefooted. In the rough, sadly, it revealed itself as a vehicle gone soft. In my 15 years as a motoring journalist I have never once returned a vehicle damaged, until now. The front bumper was knocked back. I went over a dune slipface a bit too fast and hit the ground quite hard. I blame the kids; we heard on the radio that they had found a gemsbok. The kids cried, "go Dad, go". So I goed... and crunch! By the end of the trip the dune driving had also ripped the rear bumper off completely. The wheel alignment needed resetting and the engine sump guard was bent. Off-road performance wasn't great either. The Pajero's hill descent control kicked it sideways when going down the steep dune slopes. I learnt that I should always apply power down the slopes to prevent this from happening. Ground clearance is not enough. The Pajero, like all modern 4x4 luxury wagons, boasts shift-on-the-fly transmission, which promises a quick lockup of the centre diff or change from low range to high, while moving. In the case of the Pajero, however, to make any such gear change happen quickly, the vehicle had to be brought to a standstill and neutral engaged, followed by a short wait. If these actions were made while moving, it at times took minutes for the change to take place. Ten years ago this was acceptable, but no more. And what about the traction control? I watched the other vehicles in the convoy. Those that did the best were not fitted with electronics but rather with enough ground clearance and enough power. So, nothing unexpected, I suppose. Electronics doesn't make up for the basics, and never can. If you want a Pajero for off-road, don't choose the GLS but rather the more basic GLX - and be prepared to lift the suspension. It is altogether a better all-rounder anyway. As a family 4x4, the Pajero fell short too. My children complained at being cramped, but when I investigated it wasn't the problem. I discovered that the complaint was really about the centre seat, because it isn't a seat at all but what feels like a lump of wood with some leather on it. The Pajero is a four-seater - not a five! So what have I settled on? I sold my Cruiser 76 and purchased a used Land Cruiser 105, 4.2 diesel, fitted OME suspension and a low-pressure turbo-charger from SAC.
Reader Comments : (54)
Mixed bag
Having driven over 1.3 million kilometers all over East Afica over the past 17 years in many different vehicles including LR 110 bakkies, LC bakkies, GX's VX's Isuzu Trooper, LR Discovery and Prado now I am driving my 5th Pajero. Best all rounder so far the V44/V46 model which was much better off-road than my newer DiD model which is much more of a highway cruiser than the older 1990 - 2000 models. They were as tough as nails yet still comfortable. I still own and drive (when heading for the rough stuff) a V46 which has done 450000 plus kilometers on all types of East African roads, I fitted airlift suspension in the rear dual gas shocks in front, that car is comfortable and stable even when being beaten extremely hard on corrugated rough dirt roads. When it turns muddy and slippery it is so predictable that I often have to stop to tow other 4 x4's out of the ditches. The DiD is another matter, I have fitted hi-lift front springs, airlift on the rear so it is now capable and quick on rough roads but it just does not have rough off-road capability. Worst of all the dust proofing is appalling for a car designed to be multi purpose. Worst car that I have had was the Disco which after 150000 kms had engine and gearbox failures and scared the daylight out of me numerous times when it went into self-drive attitude when going quickly over rough roads.
Posted By: Mike on 2010/09/01
160km +
@ Willie Prinsloo Seriously, you think driving at 160km/h in a presumably packed SUV is a clever idea ? If you really do this, please stop. This kind os rediculous behavious is what makes SA one of the most dangerous areas of the world in terms of car accidents.
Posted By: silverspiders on 2010/08/31
Give Andrew a break
What a ridiculous lot of responses? The man is just expressing his view you are welcome to your own. I am one of the few who drives a Land-rover but loves Toyota as they are both brilliant machines, The Pajero is a superb vehicle and I am positive the new Prado or Discovery may have also behaved similarly at any given moment, lighten up guys they just cars! Andrew thanks for being brave enough to give your opinion!
Posted By: Justin on 2010/08/22
4 Wheels
I have been driving 4 wheel drive vehicles for the last 34 years as part of my work in remote areas in Africa. There are no bad 4 wheel vehicle only bad drivers.And this for Mr White, “If you keep quiet people might thing you are stupid, when you open your mouth people know you are stupid.”
Posted By: Jean on 2010/08/12
Ja
Ja,but then at least the comments should be fair and intelligent?
Posted By: Koos on 2010/07/15
men?!!!
As a first time reader I do not want to believe the comments actually come from men old enough to raise kids!Having an opinion is no attack on your person - except if your self-esteem is formed by the vehicle you drive.
Posted By: HS on 2010/06/14
Poepol with capital P
Mr White is obsessed with critisising Pajero. I red one book by him and may be one or 2 articles . Always the same moaning Pajero this.. Pajero that . May be they did not want to pay him commission for positive remarks once in the past. No car is ideal. Usually the driver is the car's worst enemy.Definitely Mr White should stay out of Mitsubishi or any car because he can not drive. Old saying says: If you can not do something properly - start teaching. His criticizm stinks now as Mitsubishi (remember Zero's planes in WW2?) did not recall any of their cars. But Toyota ...? Eish! I do not buy and I will not buy any books or magazines with articles of Mr White.The above "ups and downs" and comments " I have never returned damaged car.." are the final joke. He made fool of himself.
Posted By: Jack on 2010/05/29
Read the article
Greg,have you read the article?Andrew won the wooden spoon award for the driver who botches the most.He also admits that going over the slipface too fast was the cause of damage to the Pajero.Doesn't sound like an expert driver to me.
Posted By: Piet on 2010/05/21
Typical
South Africans take things way to personally. For all you guys that say Andrew White does not know what he is talking about, this is what he does for a living.I am quite certain he would drive circles around most of you. Just cool down. We don't have to bliksem someone because we dont agree with them
Posted By: Greg on 2010/05/17
Pajero is a Car
To all the fellow Pajero owners... My one close friend has owned a 3.5V6 Pajero LWB. He lifted the vehicle with ironman suspension and fitted BF AT tyres!! He used it as his daily vehicle to work and back.. After he did several 4x4 trails out with us he decided to rather look to replace the vehicle with something sturdier. Yes we play hard and the vehicles do get worked very hard, but it was the first time that I have noticed that a Monocoque chassis actually bends from flexing in off road conditions.... I own a Old Hilux with the leaf springs, yes they are harsh to drive but they got character. The Pajero went through an obstacle lifted its front wheel and then as he inched forward the front wheel dropped into the hole and raised the opposing rear wheel. Diff lock did the work and he was free. Afterwards we noticed that the bonnet, bumper, fender, left headlight and grille was all not fitting properly together.......One obstacle and the chassis bends??? It is a car with reasonable clearance, exceptional driving comfort, four wheel drive and big wheels. Yes it can go off road, but after seeing how easy they damage, I refrained from trading my oil Hilux for something like that. I bought instead a Cruiser 200 D4D and do use it in harsh off road conditions.There is nothing wrong with the Pajero, it serves a certain part of the market, but It has it faults and short comings just like any other vehicle.Stop blaming people for speaking their mind....It seems that Pajero owners all are very insecure thus their reaction to Andrew's comment on the vehicle.Grow up children.
Posted By: Johan on 2010/05/11
Conclusion
I can only conclude that you should never lend your vehicle to Andrew.Wonder if he would have driven in the same fashion if he coughed up the monthly payments?
Posted By: Abend on 2010/05/07
experience
Hi Andrew,first make sure you have the driving capabilities and offroad skill and experience before blaming any vehichles.It shows disrespect to all the r&d that has gone into all these different makes of vehichles.Put your pride in your pocket and appologise and hose in on your driving skills and try again.........
Posted By: toyota ,landy driver on 2010/05/04
Slating him for shooting straight. Not fair!
What a pleasure to find someone who calls it as he sees it. I have stopped reading CAR because they never find anything wrong with a vehicle... until it is upgraded, then all the shortcomings of the previous model, which they raved about, are brought out to show how much the new one is improved. Rubbish to diplomacy and advertising revenues. I want an HONEST opinion. It might not be right, but if it is honest, it is worth its weight in glod. Thanmks for this andrew. (Incidently I don't agree with you about the Paj, but thats my honest opinion).Editor, Keep LW honest. Shoot straight and tell it like it is.
Posted By: Mike Eaton on 2010/04/23
The real dissapointment...
So Andrew doesn't like the Pajero it seems. Well, he's right in his review saying that it has too much plastic and soft suspension. He's also right in recommending the GLX as being better suited to off-road. BUT, he's wrong in that way he slates the product. Hes wrong in his obvious bias towards Toyota (seen in other articles as well) His reporting is generally very unprofessional and is certainly not what I would expect from a "leading" 4x4 journalist. This article is no exception.So my take on the situation is the following:- Andrew is a **** and we can do nothing to change that- Pajero is a bit soft but this can be fixed to some extent- Leisure Wheels is the real disappointment in my mind. Surely the editor should have enough savvy and knowledge to know that this sort of drivel is going to get a negative reaction from readers.
Posted By: Chunky on 2010/04/22
Pajero is capable - so is Andrew
I think Andrew knows the Pajero is a brilliant vehicle, but it needs to driven within it's limits which are there by design as a part time off-roader. It's no Defender. It's no Cruiser. These are the things Andrew is pitting it against in his mind on the trail.
Posted By: Stuart on 2010/04/22
Pajero is capable
As a very proud Pajero owner and having covered about half a million kilos in Africa with two different DID's since 2002.Proudly trouble free and without one single incident resulting in a brake down.Admittedly both vehicle's have minor modifications.Both the vehicles are fitted with rear airbags and a 40mm aftermarket front spring.And yes it is true the Pajero's suspension is a tad low and they definately do sag in the front,howver with this little suspension mod the vehicle stand alot prouder and provides adequateclearance for most off road conditions.A inexpensive set of belly plates gives the nesacary protection underneath.The latter a 2007 model is fitted with an ARB front bumper and a winch.By the way I have never had to use it to rescue my own vehicle,but this is a big must if you are planning to venture into the unknown.Having traveld for extended distances in very thick sand and some realy muddy areas the Pajero has proved itself a formidable and capable off roader.I must admit I try to avoid extreemly rocky terains as this is detramental to any vehicle.Unfortunately I am always pressed for time so getting ther and getting back is always at very high speeds and it is not uncomen for me to drive at 160+ for hundreds of k's at a time.I will often drive non stop for 24 hours or more,just to get to where I am going as this gives me more time to spend in the bush and to enjoy the off road part of the trip.This is what makes the Pajero particularly fitting for my travels as it is extremly comfortable can handle continious high speeds and does itself proud in the dirt.My theory is that people's choice of vehicle definatly reflects on there personality.It is sad to see people being offended by the opinion of others.What is even sadder is seeing so called 4x4 Experts taking vehicles that are not prepared or equiped for a trip into terain not suiting the set up.To me Pajero is King of my castle.
Posted By: Willie Prinsloo on 2010/04/14
Terios!!!!!!
That story on the Terios got my attention!!!
Posted By: Marius on 2010/04/03
Pajero is King? NOT!
Uh to the 12 year old whiny "Mistubishi Man" - grow up you round-bellied peckerhead! The only laughing stock is dumb F**ks like you complaining about ASPW giving an opinion on a "soft" 4x4. The point isn't whether your "pet" brand of truck is in fact a steamy pile of toy crap compared to "real" 4x4s. The point is that ASPW expresses his own biased opinion rather than expressing a "PAID FOR" corporate opinion. Wow you are stupid!
Posted By: Not a Pajero owner! on 2010/03/07
Booboo
Andrew made a booboo(by his own admission),damaged the vehicle and then turned around and blamed the vehicle.He must have felt like a babboon. I remember two ladies;driving a Terios; conquering the dunes (featured in LW).They (as novices) understood the principle of keeping the vehicles limitations in mind and driving accordingly.If you forget this principle ,you can damage ANY vehicle.Something you would expect the 'Doyen of all things 4x4' to know.
Posted By: Andre on 2010/02/27
defensive
By the way i drive a Mazda B2500 4X4 and am sure my vehicle can do better that this Pajero. I have done hard trails on non existant road in Zim and have never got stuck or broken something. Pajero guys, you might need to consider buying a Mazda if you hate Toyotas
Posted By: Thabani on 2010/02/18
defensive
Just lokking at a Pajero shows that it is not a tough vehicle. It Looks like is sagging.
Posted By: Thabani on 2010/02/18
Good Heavens
So, the take home message here is that Andrew didn't like the Pajero, because he did some unwise things which got it stuck, then broken. And this is the Pajero's fault.No, really, the Pajero!
Posted By: Paul. on 2010/02/12
Pajero's do get stuck.
Hi Guys, just my ten cents worth. I have been off roading for many years and have driven in or have been accompanied by many different vehicles. Most vehicles are superb and indeed driver error plays a huge roll. Let me just inform you that I have seen, towed out and assisted a myriad of stuck or broken vehicles. These have been made up of many different makes. Some of these have been Pajero's. No vehicle is invincable. I myself must state that I am somewhat dissapointed in the Pajero's as they do tend to get bogged down and or damaged in both sandy and or muddy conditions. Loose rocky terrain also does not suit the vehicle. If I had to cry and moan at every jibe made at me and in my opinion the best 4x4 available namely the Landrover Defender then this whole magazine would be taken up by the crying of Landy drivers. Remember Africa is not for sissies and whining belongs elsewhere, Australia maybe?
Posted By: Bennett Botes on 2010/02/11
Keep up the great work
Andrew, your honest tell it like it is approach, and the depth of knowledge you share has been not only of great help to me in my 4x4ing endeavours, but also great entertainment. My Fortuner is also covered in tupperware which will in due time be replaced, thing about it though is that it takes a much heavier track to damage it than it does for a Paj. Pity that so many PAj owners take offense.. really a great pity. But to be honest - that's their problem.
Posted By: Stuart on 2010/01/23
Poor Andrew
I am the owner of one of the most noticeable Pajero's on the road. The one with the orange bumpers and sides. Just so you know who I am as I am not afraid to let people know who I am and my feelings. I have read the Andrew saga and watched a very few of the TV shows, and yes was sold his book. This is my opinion.The Pajero saga, well all know did him no good and also did the magazine no good. The editor must also watch with whom He wants to side as the readers keep him in the position he is in. Don't pull rank with the wrong side!Andrew is a person suffering from SMS-small man syndrome. He continuously goes on about how many DVDS and books he has written, but fails to explain that the first thing that gets shoved into your hand the first time you walk into a 4x4 centre is his stuff. There must be good profit in these items.Once you have read them , and start doing 4x4ing, you soon work out what an idiot he actually is. It is all about himself and his opinion. Not the actual facts. His dress code is that of a school kid with his smaller brothers clothes on that were worn to last nights rave, not proper bush gear. Please can somebody assist him in his clothing, it is actually an embarrassment.Your actions are that of a child. Think of the lion in Botswana. What was the problem. The lion was far away, as you can work out from the clip. Anyway, do you think it is the first raver the lion has seen? When last did you hear of a lion attack in Botswana.The look on his face was priceless. There must have been a stain on the seat. Next time Andrew, do things correctly. Stop and set up camp, before the sun sets and before you attempt a braai. Bush campers know that from day one. Next time when you stop and cannot open a simple food holder, check your video before you run down the tyre. Your tyre was flat when you were making a fool of yourself with the food. Look at your video. Think, that there are people watching it and can clearly see the tyre was flat!!!!!All your comments about the Pajero were answered in the most sarcastic and childish manner. Not active and with reason, rather trying to belittle the public.I was the Heckler in Cape Town, and took careful note that, both before and after the meeting, nobody talked to you at all. Strange for a famous 4x4 fundi, is it not? The truth spoke volumes that night.The way you carried on about the poor little monkey above your head when you were on TV, one would have thought it was King Kong above you.Do you ever watch yourself after you have done a recording, to see what a fool you make yourself out to be?You are always a talking point around a camp fire, as to how wrong everything you do and say really is.SABC, is about the only broadcaster that would show your programs, as it is in line with the other rubbish that they screen.I think a long holiday away from the media will be a good thing for you to do.You will always get somebody who is behind you, but then one wonders how much 4x4ing they actually know about and do?The quicker your editorials are taken out of this magazine the faster the sales will grow, that is for sure.It is no wonder that some of the most liked 4x4 companies will not give you a vehicle to test, and that you seem to be very proud of that fact. I think it says something about the man himself.To the Rave Clothed African Hunter, watch the lions!
Posted By: Wayne on 2010/01/19
mitsubishi
email me on wesley.auths@barloworldmotors.com, for anything involving mitsubishi. we deliver nation wide! i work for john williams motors mitsubishi department!thanks for the support! pajero swb is king!
Posted By: wesley on 2009/12/23
mabye the wrong direction
There's nothing wrong with the Pajero. If you are looking for a vehicle that has great on road performance and good off road ability the Pajero is a good car. There is no doubt of that. Mr White in my mind did not do the car any justice in this article though. Going from a 76 series cruiser to a Pajero is not the right way of going about things. Of course off road the two vehicles are not going to be the same The cruiser falls in a completely different category compared to the Pajero. If like most people he had previously owned a bakkie with 4x4 going to the Pajero from there he would of read that the engine was smooth and super powerful and incredibly comfortably. He would have written about how his kids loved the comforts and space compared to the double cab bakkie they had to squeeze into the back of. this is the natural progression that most people take when going through the ranks of buying a new car. You go up a level so to say. In my mind Mr white was going down a rung and did not realize it. Mr white was inadvertently comparing a Paj to a 76 cruiser. Logical progression for a man in his position would have been to loan a vx 200 cruiser. Maybe a Disco would even have fitted his options better. going for a Pajero in this case was not the smart move on his part. And driving it like a cruiser was not the smart thing to do. A 76 series cruiser can take alot more abuse than a Pajero. There are alot of people that will tell you "test your vehicle before you go off road and make sure you know what its going to do." Mr white jumped in with both feet there.
Posted By: Philip du Toit on 2009/12/22
The South African Male Ego...
I look at the forum, the articles in the magazine and it saddens me. I am also a South African male. I also drive a 4X4 vehicle , the manufacturer is immaterial. I am ashamed that we have had to stoop to such a low level to such derogatory conduct to defend a piece of metal, with four tyres.Gentlemen, Andrew expressed an opinion. You might agree with it, you might choose to disagree with it. He did not attack you in person and the decission you might or might not have made. Be clear on this.However, your behaviour illustrates your immaturity and furthermore, that your personalities are defined by the vehicles you drive. This is sad. We live in a wonderful country with such a diverse and wonderful people. It saddens me to see that there is such a large community of people who still preferes to operate on the lower levels of Maslow. To you, good luck. I hope you evolve one dayMr White, I too had to make a decission when I purchased a vehicle. I too drove all of the qualifying vehicles in my price category, and I too decided not to purchase the Pajero. Our reasons differ, but I have respect for your view, your experience, your opinion and the fact that your requirements and circumstances are quite different to mine.We have but to look at the vheicle sales numbers for this category on a monthly basis to see who the clear favourites are. To the Pajero owners There is an old saying that goes if you wonder, then you know.
Posted By: Ubertech on 2009/12/16
The South African Male Ego...
I look at the forum, the articles in the magazine and it saddens me. I am also a South African male. I also drive a 4X4 vehicle , the manufacturer is immaterial. I am ashamed that we have had to stoop to such a low level to such derogatory conduct to defend a piece of metal, with four tyres.Gentlemen, Andrew expressed an opinion. You might agree with it, you might choose to disagree with it. He did not attack you in person and the decission you might or might not have made. Be clear on this.However, your behaviour illustrates your immaturity and furthermore, that your personalities are defined by the vehicles you drive. This is sad. We live in a wonderful country with such a diverse and wonderful people. It saddens me to see that there is such a large community of people who still preferes to operate on the lower levels of Maslow. To you, good luck. I hope you evolve one dayMr White, I too had to make a decission when I purchased a vehicle. I too drove all of the qualifying vehicles in my price category, and I too decided not to purchase the Pajero. Our reasons differ, but I have respect for your view, your experience, your opinion and the fact that your requirements and circumstances are quite different to mine.We have but to look at the vheicle sales numbers for this category on a monthly basis to see who the clear favourites are. To the Pajero owners There is an old saying that goes if you wonder, then you know.
Posted By: Ubertech on 2009/12/16
Give the Pajero a break!
Hi Andrew,it is quite clear that you are incompetent when it comes to most things, but in particular, 4x4's.You are an embarassment to the 4x4 community at large and should rather be the doyon of the "jerk society " to which you represent masterfully.I'm sure most will agree that you should stay very far away from anything vaguely resembling a 4x4.I find your comments extremely arrogant and onesided and quite frankly you come across as very immature and insecure! By the way I am a toyota driver.
Posted By: Pajeros are Great on 2009/12/10
Ag Siestog
Pajero clan wailing like there's no tomorrow. Why are you'all so sensitive about criticism?
Posted By: DenB on 2009/12/06
Consider this...
Just a thought... I think the Nissan Patrol is by far better than all the rest.
Posted By: Patrollie on 2009/11/20
To "Advice please"
The Leisure Wheels team (which don't include Andrew White) gave the Pajero Sport four out of five stars in its road test that is published in the latest (Dec) issue. You will probably be encouraged to buy it after reading the test.
Posted By: Hilux Owner, Kuruman on 2009/11/19
Sad..!
I don't think this has anything to do with Mitsubishi vs Toyota, both make good 4x4's. I think it has more to do with Mr White's off-road driving skills. Perhaps sir you would like to start out with something a little less complicated...I have an old 2.4 Colt Club Cab 4x4 that you can practice with...it even has shift on the fly, well 2wd to 4wd that is.
Posted By: Ryan on 2009/11/18
Advice please
At the end of the day i am about to purchase the Pajero Sport as i need a good family car that will do my wife and I well in town but also offer the opportunity of fantastic trips to off road locations in Namibia, Moz, Bots, SA and the rest of our beautiful country. Any objective and practical advice welcome. I am not tunnel vision loyal to any brand. The Pajero Sport just seems like great value but i dont want to find out i have bought a vehicle not capable in challenging 4x4 situations.
Posted By: Dirk on 2009/11/18
one track minded
You pajero owners are not far behind the toyota boys by the looks of things.Pajero is not the worst 4x4 but it sure as hell aren't the best so get over yourselves its getting old now.Lick your wounds and get over it.
Posted By: piet on 2009/11/16
you are lost
Your are in the wrong field Andrew. If i see you article in the LW magazine i wont buy it. Please dont spoil our our leisurely reading.
Posted By: Abel on 2009/11/07
JUST SPOKE TO NIKKI IN AUSTRALIA
HI, ANDREW, NARELLE HERE ,YOUR COUSIN FROM AUSTRALIA. GREAT ARTICLES AND HOPE TO MEET YOU ONE DAY IN CAPE TOWN.
Posted By: NARELLE TIBBETT on 2009/11/07
JUST SPOKE TO NIKKI IN AUSTRALIA
HI, NARELLE HERE ,YOUR COUSIN FROM AUSTRALIA. GREAT ARTICLES AND HOPE TO MEET YOU ONE DAY IN CAPE TOWN.
Posted By: NARELLE TIBBETT on 2009/11/07
Not R&D
Racing the dakar in that class that the pajaro races is not r&d rather publicity . Think obout it for more than 5sec, in dakar there is more than one class of racing and one of those are dominated by the cruiser in the PRODUCTION class where you have to enter a production vehicle witch toyota does allot of their r&d on the cruiserand not in the unlimited class. And if you say that a good 4x4 is only good if it did well in the dakar then why is no body taking their vw toureg and porshe 911 on a proper offroad track and no a public road doesn't count. At outo africa one year i had a look at a dakar "pajero" witch is a space frame with a body. So in short winning the dakar or doing well doent mean R&D but rather good advertising.
Posted By: Dave on 2009/11/06
R & D
Dave, so you think that Mitsubishi has learned nothing from racing the Dakar? Don't think so sir. And I am sure that what they have learnt over the years, has made it into their production cars in some form.
Posted By: Life beyond Toyota on 2009/11/05
LMAO!!!!
Competing in the Dakar means nothing, all that it has in common with with the race pajero is the badge and four wheels . You always see land rovers and cruisers in africa but not pajeros except on the back of a lorry on the way to the garage. My 2c worth.
Posted By: Dave on 2009/11/05
Don't think so....
Louis, I don't think the Pajero is "too soft for SA conditions", as you say. Look at the Mitsubishi/Pajero heritage, ie DAKAR. The PAJERO is no softie, I've personally seen them in action.ASPW is sponsored by Toyota as far as I know, and in my opinion, he never talks badly about his sponsored products, even if there is something bad to say.I've always had the "Toyota tunnel vision" problem. But luckily I'm cured of that. Taking delivery of my Pajero Sport(although not a true Pajero, but a Mitsu nonetheless) soon
Posted By: Life beyond Toyota on 2009/11/04
Sour Grapes!
Good heavens people. The guy merely states the truth about a vehicle thats way too soft for South African conditions and you want to crucify him. Go Andrew tell it like it is!
Posted By: Louis on 2009/11/04
Bad Journalist
I can't believe that Leisure Wheels are still publishing your articles.You have lost all credibility with me
Posted By: Star on 2009/11/03
Pajero - soft
I have to agree with ASP's comments on the performance of the Pajero offroad. Add OME suspension to the picture and I would completely disagree. I am sure that ASP's new/used Land Cruiser would also have been 'a disappointment' in its standard production form...
Posted By: Rob on 2009/10/28
Too much Toyota
As a Pajero owner and 4x4 enthusiast, I beg to differ with your opinion on the Pajero.You evidently dont know what you are talking about and it is clear that you are partial to Toyota.Are they paying you to give a bad write up on the Pajero? Shame on you Mr White. tsk tsk tsk...
Posted By: Rehaan on 2009/10/26
You have lost all credibility
This article and the follow up has made me lose all respect for your opinion and ability. In this article you referred to yourself as "As the doyen of "all Things 4x4"" and in the follow up you deny it? Maybe Alzheimer's has something to do with your lapse in memory. If you took the time to find out a bit of the operating instructions of the Pajero you would have known to shift on the fly is limited to 2h - 4h only, the fact that yo did not destroy the gearbox is testament to the build quality of Mitsubishi. If you want to carry on "testing" vehicles and writing about it might I suggest you do some homework as a lot has changed from your first encounter with a 4x4. I used to admire your unbiased knowledge but lately you have become too much of a "celebrity" at the cost of what made you one. In my view it is time to retire from this game as you have become just another spin doctor singing praises to whom ever pays the bills.
Posted By: Henk on 2009/10/26
No Class
Hi AndrewYou sound like a self conceited dim wit who has no knowledge on how to operate a proper 4x4.Its a pity that i wasn't on the trip with you,because i missed you walking on water and turning water into wine.You might think you can create these little miracles,but you certianly won't convince anyone that a Toyota is better than a Pajero
Posted By: Mr Mitsubishi on 2009/10/23
lack of knowledge
According to my sources, this was your first trip to Namibia. how can you make an assumption like that when you have never tested any other vehicle in this terrane. I would like to re - assure the pajero customer. dont listen to this ONE TRACK mind.Pajero customers know that you've never been unsatisfied with your pajero. in most cases, you are helping other vehicles get out of their problems. No matter what you say, Pajero dont roll over.Toyota must be paying Andrew very well to drag his own identity through **** and back. if you have tried with other 4x4's, then you can make this assumption. This leaves me with one saying for Andrew: Dont bite off what you can't chew. leave the offroading for the professionals.
Posted By: Pajero 4 life on 2009/10/23
Proud Pajero owner
hi mr white, i am very sorry to hear about your saga in the PAJERO , it just show's you that there are some poeple out there that know sweet bokerol about driving a 4x4 and may i add that off road driving is an adventure and not a race track , for that you need to contact Shumi , maybe he will assist you with some driving skills. have a great day because i am having a AWSOME day driving my PAJERO.
Posted By: PAPPA PAJERO on 2009/10/23
poepol
HI THERE MR WHITE, I AM GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU STRAIGHT - YOU ARE A POEPOL AS YOU DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT DRIVING 4X4 I HAVE BEEN ON TRIPS AND MAY I TELL YOU THAT I ENJOYED EVERY MOMENT OF IT IN MY PAJ **- BY THE WAY THE PAJERO IS THE KING OF THE OFF ROAD .... GO TRY YOUR LUCK ELSEWHERE POEPOL.
Posted By: 4X4 GURU FROM OUT OF AFRICA on 2009/10/23
no!!!
Clearly it is drivers error and not that of the Pajero!! Never been stuck in my PAJ!!!
Posted By: George on 2009/10/23
Pajero is King
Hi AndrewYou might be a motoring journalist,but you certainly dont have a clue on how to drive a real 4x4.I can certianly back this statement up,as one of my collegues,who is a 4x4 specialist was on the same trip,and i believe you were the laughing stock of the whole group.He mentioned that you are a wanna be Jeremy Clarkson/Richard Attenborough and your off rode driving skills are much to be desired.To all Mitsubishi followers,this man is sponsoured by Toyota,so what more could you expect
Posted By: Mitsubishi Man on 2009/10/23
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